The Art & Science of Astrology Podcast Series

"The Art & Science of Astrology" is an introduction to the archetypal language of astrology featuring 55 interviews with prominent astrologers totalling over 17 hours. Astrology is a symbolic language that can explain the dynamics of an individual's psyche as well as the larger patterns of culture.

The Art & Science of Astrology

The language of astrology is incredibly rich and complex, and can take a lot of time to be able to fully comprehend and speak it. Rather than attempting to create a linear progression through the material, this series intends to weave a fabric of wisdom and knowledge from many collective years of astrological practice and experience. Its goal is to provide enough context for you to be able to be able read other astrology books or retain more information from an astrological reading.

As with any language, it takes time to become fluent in all of the terminology and contextual meaning of different combinations of words. In astrology, the words are the archetypes of the planets, signs and houses, which are combined into unique configurations for each individual. By listening to this series, you will begin to understand some of the basic principles of these combinations while also being able to grasp the broader landscape of astrology and how it's being used.

Most importantly, you will begin to hear the language as it is spoken by over 40 different professional astrologers who have a broad range of perspectives and areas of specialization. There will inevitably be confusing jargon until you begin to understand some of the foundational principles. However, after you learn more about the meaning of the different astrological archetypes you will be able to re-listen to each interview and dig into the deeper layers of meaning.

These interviews were conducted at the Northwest Astrological Conferences from May of 2009 and the May of 2010.

Patricia Walsh on Imagery, Evolutionary Astrology and Past-Life Regression

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Patricia Walsh is a Deep Memory Process, regression therapist and author of the book Understanding Karmic Complexes: Evolutionary Astrology and Regression Therapy. She discusses how active imagination and imagery work alongside the tool of astrology to allow journeying into other realms based in order to get to the core of an issue. She also talks about the process of writing her book on Karmic complexes based upon her many years of work combining past-life regression and Evolutionary Astrology. Walsh also talks about some of the recent transits and how they relate to the Capricorn and Cancer archetypes.

Deva Green on Evolutionary Astrology

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Deva Green is the director of The School of Evolutionary Astrology, which was started by her father and founder of EA Jeffrey Wolf Green. She is also author of the book, Evolutionary Astrology: Pluto and your Karmic Mission. Green talks about how her father's dreams guided him to become an astrologer, and inspired her interest in astrology at the age of 13. She explains how Pluto transits, and transits to the nodal access and planetary rulers signify evolutionary progression of the soul. She also discusses the purpose of collective soul evolution and the importance of integrating polarities in order to develop a balance in consciousness between two archetypes.

A.T. Mann on Buddhism, Stories & Life*Time Astrology

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A.T. Mann is an astrologer who has recently been helping to translate the advanced Kalachakra Tantra Teachings teachings given by the Dali Lama. He discusses the overlap between Tibetan Buddhism, Taoism, Eastern philosophy and astrology through the concepts of impermanence and constant change. Mann also describes how he uses a logarithmic time scale to interpret the natal chart. He uses the logarithmic metaphor to help explain the importance of our early stages in our life in our overall development, but also how our sense of time is expanded near the beginning of life when billions of connections are being made, and how time seems to speed up as we get older and decades seem to fly by. This kind of reading is a "round art" based on the art of wholeness, and an understanding of the wheel of samsura and illusion and allows for metamorphosis in the horoscope.

Laura Nalbandian on the Spiritual Lesson of Virgo, Chop Wood, Carry Water

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Laura Nalbandian is a second generation astrologer and co-owner of the Northwest Astrological Conference (NORWAC). She talks about the archetype of Virgo and the Sixth house. She emphasizes the importance of honoring the small acts of daily life as reflective of the greater experience and connection to divine consciousness. This is reflected in the Zen Buddhist saying of "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." She also explains how the polarity between Pisces and Virgo can create balance and healthy functioning. For example, the Pisces imaginative connection to forgiveness can help Virgo to release its tendency toward over-analysis and perfection, while Virgo teaches Pisces to have discernment and critical thinking.

Moll Frothingham on the Beauty of Libra

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Moll Frothingham discusses the archetype of Libra, which is timely because Saturn is currently moving into Libra for a couple of years. This means that the collective will have the opportunity to learn necessary lessons about relatedness and getting along with those who have fundamentally different values, which involves courtesy from both sides and the ability to respect others who are not like us. She explains how the cardinal air sign of Libra seeks balance by going to extremes in its quest to find equality through social exchange. She also discusses the value of disagreement in order to better understand oneself as well as compares Libra with it's polarity of Aries.

Darby Costello on Love and Venus

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Darby Costello talks how Venus represents love as a kind of garden that you build and nurture, and how you choose to invite people to bring beauty into your garden. The sign and house that contains Venus can signify the type of garden that you create. She describes Eros as the possibility of two people coming together, which then ignites some form of creativity. Costello also discusses the work of love that must happen in order to sustain growth after the initial spell of falling in loves wanes.

David Pond on the Mystical 12th House & Transpersonal Planets

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David Pond describes the 12th house as being an interface between the personal consciousness and the collective consciousness. Planets that are in the 12th house operate under a different set of rules than in other houses, and can't be interpreted with an analytical mind. He explains how one must feel how twelfth house planetary energies manifest through poetry and myth rather than referring to a fixed list of keywords. The mystical mind takes over in interpreting the 12th house because it is dissolving and transcending ego identification. Pond also explains how the outer three planets are the triad of evolution of the soul, and how these transpersonal planets are a connection to the collective consciousness, which impacts individual consciousness.

Gisele Terry on Astrology & Developmental Psychology

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Gisele Terry is an astrologer, psychotherapist, and president of the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR). She discusses the convergence of developmental psychology and astrology, and how the sequential phases of childhood development of emotions and cognition mirror the progression of astrological signs through the zodiac. Gisele also explains how the moon and progressed new moon represent the early relational dynamic between mother and infant, and have a persistent and enduring influence on the way relationships and attachments are formed all through life.

Lynn Bell on Aspects as Defenses & the Cardinal T-Square

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Lynn Bell is a teacher of psychological astrology at the Center for Psychological Astrology. She explains how squares in a natal chart represent a person's creative edge and where they may get caught in repetitive behavior, and how aspects can function as fault lines and defense mechanisms in the psyche. She reflects on how to integrate and resolves squares by finding the balance point. She also reflects on the meaning of the Cardinal T-Square and the movement of Uranus into Aries.

Stephanie Gailing on Planetary Apothecary and Wellness Astrology

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Stephanie Gailing is a nutritionist, wellness consultant and author of the book Planetary Apothecary, which offers dietary tips and wellness practices based on understanding the sun sign. Through the chart she looks at a clients temperament, strengths and challenges and is then able to help them better personalize a wellness regimen. She discusses the concept of Medical Astrology and reflects on how the health of mind, body and spirit were once linked with the teaching of medicine.

Adam Gainsburg on the Venus & Mars Synodic Cycle

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Adam Gainsburg of Soulsign astrology describes how the dynamic movements between any two planets create synodic cycles, and how he's been studying the synodic cycles between Mars and Venus. He explains how one's personal feminine and masculine phase describe how we can contribute to the collective unfolding of femininity or masculinity. Gainsburg's understanding of the Mars and Venus cycles are based upon research into ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian and Mayan ways of seeing astronomical events, and he talks about some of the distinct Mars/Venus synodic phases play out in an astrological chart.

Jeff Jawer on Astrology Exercises, Community & Prediction

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Jeff Jawer talks about looking at a chart from the perspective of the social impact of an individual on the culture. Astrology has recently been used as a psychological tool to understand personal patterns, family history and sometimes past lives, but Jawer is interested in looking beyond the individual perspective to a larger context of how our lives may fulfill a specific role in the collective human process. He also discuss other topics such as Uranus moving into Aries, the cardinal cross as well as some of the limitations of thinking of astrology as a predictive tool for someone's personality, events and life cycles rather than as a tool to help create something that is useful.

Maurice Fernandez on Neptune in Pisces

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Maurice Fernandez talks about the meaning of Neptune moving into in Pisces. He explains how Pisces represents letting go of control and returning to source. Through the disintegration of what is known and stable, one is able to become a channel of inspiration. When one is open to a dialogue with life and deep listening, then a deeper place of realization and truth is found through the archetype of Pisces. Fernandez also talks about The River of Stars astrology conference that he's helping organize in January of 2011.

Amy Herring on Astrological Themes & the Progressed Moon

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Amy Herring describes her new book about the natal and progressed moon called Astrology of the Moon. She also explains some of her strategies for narrowing down the symbols of a natal chart in order to determine a theme. Herring also discusses the importance of understanding how one's emotional needs for trust and comfort are understood through the moon, and how the progressed moon reveals how these emotional needs are evolving. She also explains how the progressed lunar return can be important for understanding the Saturn Return cycle.

Gretchen Lawlor on Astrological Cycles in Youth & Cell Salt Tonics

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Gretchen Lawlor is an astrologer who works with youth ranging in ages from 14 to 18 years old. She explains how she uses the moon sign as well as the element of their sun signs in order to create a dialogue with the students and their parents. Lawlor also talks about how the four types of the Myers Briggs personality test were based upon the four elements, and how she is able to integrate astrological thinking with her students by framing it as a form of psychological typing. She talks about some of the different cycles that youth experience such as how the Saturn opposition, trine, square, and return influence rebellion, separation and conflict in families, as well as the meaning behind a young person's journey toward individuation. Lawlor also explains how she uses cell salts and some of their astrological correspondences.

Gary Christen on the History of Uranian & Symmetrical Astrology

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Gary Christen is one of the owners of Astrolabe, which publishes the Solar Fire software. He talks about how Uranian Astrology is being rebranded as Symmetrical Astrology, and why he sees it as some of most cutting edge techniques of Astrology that he hopes forms a solid foundation for new types of Astrology. Symmetrical astrology is moving towards focusing on specific planetary transits rather than larger 30-degree archetypal windows, which hopefully provides more replicable and solid interpretations that are fast to generate. He sees one of the fundamental principles of Symmetrical Astrology as being one formed on resonance, and he explains what this means. He also talks about how the Solar Arc is one specific application of some of the ideas of Symmetrical astrology, which is seen as one of the most accurate predictive techniques in astrology. Finally, Christen gives a comprehensive history describing the evolution and philosophy behind Uranian Astrology, and hits a lot of historical mile markers along the way. While Solar Fire was designed to be an encyclopedic program for all of the various different astrological techniques, Christen is reviving efforts on the Nova Chartwheels program in order to implement some of these Symmetrical techniques.

Robert Hand on the Arabic Parts, Medieval Astrology & Free Will

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Rob Hand talks about the so-called "Arabic Parts," specifically the different Lots. A "Lot" is mathematical way of combining three points to get a fourth point, typically the angular relationship of two planets that are then added to the ascendent. He also talks a bit about the meaning of Lot of Fortune and Lot of Spirit. Hand discusses his lecture on the classical method of solar revolutions (aka solar returns), which he hopes to be restored as being one of the principal predictive techniques of astrology. He talks a bit about his keynote on "Those who are Ignorant Have No Freedom," which talks about how one of the causes of fate is ignorance. Ignorance limits your way of responding creatively to situations, and this is where astrology has a lot to contribute to broadening the spectrum of causes and possible responses through the language of the archetypes. He talks about how astrology can be used as a tool for self-realization and to achieve a third kind of fate, which is the unfolding of who you really are. Finally, he talks about some of the Medieval techniques and software that he uses in his chart readings.

Curtis Manwaring on Techniques of Medieval Astrology

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Curtis Manwaring is a software programmer and astrologer who is helping recover some of the ancient Hellenistic and Medieval techniques by writing a couple of software programs. He talks about the some of the techniques within the Timaeus Medieval Astrology Software as well as some of the Hellenistic Astrology techniques contained in the Delphic Oracle Software. Manwaring talks about the importance of knowing the boundaries of what types of questions can be answered by using different techniques. He also discusses some of the challenges that translator Robert Schmidt of Project Hindsight faces in promoting some of the Hellenistic Astrology techniques before the translations have been published yet. On the on hand, they want to make sure that the recovered techniques have validity before publishing the translated materials, but on the other hand other astrologers want to have independent verification based upon the texts. He talks about some of those debates and controversies around this tension.

Bill Johnston on the Metaphysics of Hellenistic Astrology

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Bill Johnston discusses some recent updates from Project Hindsight, which has been investigating the metaphysical roots of Hellenistic Astrology. Recovering the forgotten techniques of Hellenistic astrology is not just about translating ancient texts, but it requires piecing together the philosophical metaphysics that can help inform them about the underlying motivation for developing various astrological techniques and what types of specific questions they could answer with them. Their initial findings were that Hellenistic Astrology came from Platonism, and specifically Middle Platonism, which was founded by Antiochus of Ascalon. This is a bit of a relief for modern astrologers because this Middle Academy was formed as a rejection of the strict determinism of the Stoics, and provided more of a framework for having free will and conscious choice for being able to fulfill your individual destiny. Johnston encourages astrologers to think about their own metaphysical assumptions and become aware of your worldview as filter for perceiving reality.

Dorothy Oja on the Davison Relationship Chart

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Dorothy Oja talks about how she uses the Davidson Relationship chart to determine compatibility and conflict in relationships. She talks about the Davidson Relationship chart is calculated by taking the geographical mid-point of birth locations, birth dates and birth times to create a natal chart which represents the astrological alchemy between any two people. She explains why Saturn aspects are important and can be the glue that holds a relationship together. She also describes the importance of understanding the cross of manifestation and the connection between the ruler of the 7th house when analyzing relationship compatibility. Oja also describes five planets that she looks including Mars for sexuality & spark, Venus and Jupiter for fun & laughter, Saturn for time & permanence, and Mercury for communication & emotional compatibility.

Philip Sedgwick on Whole Sky Astrology, 2012 & Trans-Neptunian objects

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Philip Sedwick talks about how the Galactic Center at 27 degrees Sagittarius, and the Super Galactic Center at 2 degrees of Libra are setting the larger context and influencing the Saturn / Uranus oppositions and Cardinal Cross of the summer of 2010. He describes how these alignments catalyze a consciousness shift that needs to happen in order to create a more workable planet. He talks about some of the perceptions about the Galactic alignment and as well as some 2012 myths. Sedwick specifically explains how certain mutable, fixed and cardinal points in the natal chart signify how to align and personify with galactic cosmic purpose and insight. He also talks about Trans-Neptunian bodies such as the new planet Eris as well as his approach for working with the larger cosmos in his Whole Sky Astrology.

Henry Seltzer on the meaning of the Dwarf Planet of Eris

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Henry Seltzer, creator of Time Passages software, describes a recently discovered dwarf planet Eris, which he believes will become a significant major archetype in Western astrology. He has found that Eris represents a feminine warrior archetype motivated to secure natural resources. Seltzer reflects on some examples of people who have a prominent placement of Eris, and how it plays out in his own chart. He also talks about the Eris' extended stay in Aries since the 1920s, and what that means for the collective.

Demetra George on Rising Signs in Traditional Astrology

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Demetra George describes how the rising sign can reflect twelve psychological portraits or templates when it is viewed through the lens of traditional astrology with whole sign houses and classical rulerships. She also reflects on her passion for researching the traditional techniques of astrology and her upcoming trip to visit sacred sites in Egypt. She explains how the origins of western horoscopic astrology first emerged in 150 BC when Egypt was under the rule of Greek kings, and why going to the places where these ancient temples exist can be a catalyst for spiritual inspiration and creative insight.

Rick Levine: Uranus in Aries, 2012 myths and Astrological Aspects until 2020

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Rick Levine talks about how the recent conjunction of Uranus and Jupiter in Aries signifies the potential for a breakthrough in technology and the emergence of futuristic thinking. He provides some metaphors for the unpredictability of Uranus, and explains how Uranus relieves tension and awakes consciousness through reconciling opposing forces.

Levine describes how the conjunction of Uranus and Jupiter in Aries signifies the beginning of a crises in action of what many astrologers describe as The Cardinal Cross. He also discusses his perspective on the some of the 2012 mythology as well as fears and addiction to apocalypse and that is prevalent in our culture today.

Levine also reviews what he sees as the major astrological alignments over the next decade, and how the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico may be initiating a change in politics that we can't yet envision. He describes how this new cycle of change will continue through 2020 and is similar to the radical cycles of change that happened between the 1960s and 70s.

The Cardinal T-square of Saturn, Uranus and Pluto and Vibrational Essences

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In this interview, Adam Gainsburg, the founder of Soulsign Astrology, explains the meaning of the Cardinal T-square of Uranus, Saturn and Pluto coming up over the Summer of 2010. He describes specific methods for connecting the heart space with the spirit and why cultivating and sustaining a soul connection during periods of outer chaos and uncertainty is important. Finally, he explains how his Soulsign Planetary Vibrational Essences can be useful to take during these transits.