The Art & Science of Astrology Podcast Series

"The Art & Science of Astrology" is an introduction to the archetypal language of astrology featuring 55 interviews with prominent astrologers totalling over 17 hours. Astrology is a symbolic language that can explain the dynamics of an individual's psyche as well as the larger patterns of culture.

The Art & Science of Astrology

The language of astrology is incredibly rich and complex, and can take a lot of time to be able to fully comprehend and speak it. Rather than attempting to create a linear progression through the material, this series intends to weave a fabric of wisdom and knowledge from many collective years of astrological practice and experience. Its goal is to provide enough context for you to be able to be able read other astrology books or retain more information from an astrological reading.

As with any language, it takes time to become fluent in all of the terminology and contextual meaning of different combinations of words. In astrology, the words are the archetypes of the planets, signs and houses, which are combined into unique configurations for each individual. By listening to this series, you will begin to understand some of the basic principles of these combinations while also being able to grasp the broader landscape of astrology and how it's being used.

Most importantly, you will begin to hear the language as it is spoken by over 40 different professional astrologers who have a broad range of perspectives and areas of specialization. There will inevitably be confusing jargon until you begin to understand some of the foundational principles. However, after you learn more about the meaning of the different astrological archetypes you will be able to re-listen to each interview and dig into the deeper layers of meaning.

These interviews were conducted at the Northwest Astrological Conferences from May of 2009 and the May of 2010.

Alan Oken: Astrology & Consciousness

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Alan Oken is the author of many books about Astrology and a teacher of ancient wisdom. He describes astrology as an instrument for reflecting human consciousness and human dynamics, and for helping develop intuition and perception of energetic qualities. Oken believes astrology can helpful in defining your egocentric identity as well as discovering your soul purpose of engaged service. He speaks about his own chart in the language of astrology, and has a deep understanding of who he is and why he's here.

Oken describes the mechanism of astrology through the phrase of "As Above, So Below" and the "Law of Correspondences," which describes a holographic relationship between the micro and macro realities. He describes astrology as "a clock that expresses transcendental synchronicity" between the two different levels of consciousness of the planetary movements and life on earth. Oken talks about how astrologers add their observations and perceptions to the intuitive science of astrology through the example of Melanie Reinhart's contribution to the archetype of Chiron. Finally, he reflects on his work as an astrologer over the past forty years and how he's had a "rather interesting incarnation."

Laura Nalbandian: Planets, Mythology & Northwest Astrology Conference

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Laura Nalbandian is a second generation astrologer and co-owner of the Northwest Astrological Conference (NORWAC). She describes her mother's involvement in founding NORWAC in 1984, and talks about the different branches of astrology that she tries to have represented at the conference. Nalbandian gives a brief introduction to the planetary archetypes, and then talks about how her understanding of the Goddess archetypes and Asteroid mythology have contributed to her own self-development.

Demetra George: Mythology, Planets and Gods

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Demetra George is an astrologer specializing in archetypal mythology, and has authored numerous books focusing on the Goddess archetypes. She is the vice-president of Ancient Oracle Tours and is an associate of Project Hindsight. Demetra explains the evolution of the relationship between planets and gods, and then explains how the mythological archetypes are reflected in the asteroids apparent in the birth chart. By developing an understanding of the archetypes and honoring the neglected aspects of these archetypes in one's psyche healing and wholeness can occur.

Henry Seltzer: Overview of Astrological Houses, Planets and Signs

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Henry Seltzer is the creator of Time Passages astrology software, and talks about how computer software has revolutionized the field of astrology. He explains the different house systems and the three main components of the birth chart: planets, signs, and houses. He also explains the related meaning in each of the twelve houses and how these mirror archetypal dynamics that shape identity.

Sheila Belanger: Midlife Astrological Cycles & Shamanism

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Sheila Belanger is a writer and wilderness guide with an M.A. in Transpersonal Psychology. She is a counseling astrologer who specializes in mid-life transitions. She explains the key aspects of Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron and the transpersonal planets during midlife ages of 28-30 to 58-60. These periods signify transitional periods of the soul, and she explains how astrology can help a person re-story their life and make meaning out of crises and times of transition. She also talks about the influence of shamanism and embodiment in her practice of astrology.

Jeff Jawer: Intimacy, Storytelling and Sun Sign Astrology

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Jeff Jawer is a Sun sign astrologer and prolific writer who has written a number of books with Rick Levine. Jawer explains how Venus and the Moon in a person's natal chart explain a person's needs for nourishment and offers clues to the tendencies for attraction in a relationship. Jeff describes the significance of the 7th and 8th houses for understanding a person's unique make-up and needs for partnership, marriage, and intimacy. He also describes how doing a synastry astrological reading between two natal charts can be used to understand relationship potentials or challenges between two people.

Rick Levine: Quantum Astrology and Free Will

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Rick Levine writes for StarIQ.com and Tarot.com and co-authors a yearly Your Astrology Guide with Jeff Jawer. Levine describes astrology as a map of time that doesn't tell you "what" is going to happen, but rather "when" something is going to happen. To Levine, astrology is more like an emotional weather report that can tell you when certain pressures are building up by looking at various transits, and that it is up to the individual to prepare and respond to these natural cycles. Levine describes his philosophy of Quantum Astrology and explains his perspective on the pre-destination / free will duality by using metaphors from Quantum physics. By looking through the quantum lens of interconnectedness, he sees that it's up to an astrologer to merely tell a client what archtypical dynamics are happening rather than predicting any specific event that could actually influence the final outcome. Finally, he talks about the merits of Sun Sign Astrology and how it is a valid holographic component of the astrological map of time.

Richard Tarnas: Planetary Cycles and Politics

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Richard Tarnas is a professor of philosophy and psychology at The California Institute Studies and he also teaches archetypal studies and depth psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute. He describes how major planetary cycles are correlated to the trends in this current period in history. He explains how planetary alignments are interpreted according to aspects and why it's important to understand these cycles. Tarnas discusses how the current Uranus Pluto Square (until 2020) suggests the potential for transformation, turmoil and social change and how the opposition of Saturn and Uranus (until 20011) signifies a clash between the old and the new. He also reflects on the current T-square between Uranus, Pluto and Saturn, which has not existed since 1929-1933 and how this aspect correlated to the recent economic turmoil.

Kristin Fontana: Evolutionary Astrology and the Soul

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Kristin Fontana is a graduate of the Jeffrey Green School of Evolutionary Astrology, and does a weekly radio show called Guiding Stars. Fontana provides a great introduction to the concepts of soul growth and evolutionary astrology, and describes how she uses it to work with clients to find their life's work and purpose. She explains how evolutionary astrology uses an understanding nodes of the moon and Pluto to assist growth and the transformational process of the soul.

Steven Forrest: Evolutionary Astrology and Storytelling

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Steven Forrest is the author of a number of bestselling books about Evolutionary Astrology and travels around the world teaching this branch of astrology. Forrest offers a definition and describes how he uses evolutionary astrology, archetypes, and storytelling to find meaning in a natal chart. He also reflects on the recent astrological trends such as Pluto in Capricorn (until 2023), which expresses themes of survival and personal responsibility that are reflected in the economy, social relations and the arts.

Patricia Walsh: Past-Life Regression and Evolutionary Astrology

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Patricia Walsh is an Evolutionary Astrologer and past-life regression therapist. Walsh talks about how she uses evolutionary astrology in combination with past-life regression therapy to help clients to heal the wounded places of the soul. She also explains how she interprets astrology according to the broad astrological archetypes, the karmic dynamics, and why understanding past lives can be helpful in understanding one's conditioning and subconscious patterns.

Eric Meyers: Saturn, Uranus and a Non-Dual Approach to Astrology

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Eric Meyers is an evolutionary astrologer and holds a M.A. from Naropa University in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology. He is also a graduate of the Steven Forrest Apprenticeship Program. Meyers enjoys looking at astrology from a spiritual, non-dual lens as opposed to a more dualistic benefic/malefic or masculine/feminine lens. He discusses the current opposition between Saturn and Uranus with Saturn representing consensus reality and the dualistic world, and Uranus representing the broader metaphysical, non-dual world, and authentic truth. Finally, Meyers talks about the taboo of astrology and astrology's role in society.

Maurice Fernandez: Spirituality, Planetary Aspects and Geopolitics

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Maurice Fernandez is an evolutionary astrologer and a certified teacher of Kundalini Yoga. He talks about the recent triple conjunction in May 2009 of Jupiter, Neptune and Chiron in the sign of Aquarius, and how this aspect expresses the potential for society to seed a better future with expansive potential. Fernandez also describes how astrological transits can be interpreted to understand geopolitical events. Finally, he describes how he uses astrology to interpret a chart according to spiritual principles and meaning.

Adam Gainsburg: Soulsign Astrology and Chiron

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Adam Gainsburg is a heart-centered, sound healer and the founder of Soulsign astrology. He describes how he uses the intuitive science of astrology and meditation to assist clients in finding their authentic path of growth. Gainsburg talks about his perspective on archetypes and storytelling from the natal chart, and how the narratives can hold people back if they become too attached to them. He explains his primary natal chart interpretation strategy of using the lunar nodes, the rulerships of the nodes and the aspects to the nodes. Finally, he describes how the Chiron wound of "our belief and our separation from source" is related to four levels of healing: the sacred wound, the broken-open heart, the sacred medicine, and the medicine walk.

Andrea Conlon: Astrology and Psychotherapy

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Andrea Conlon is a licensed clinical social worker and astrologer. She has combined astrology with her psychotherapy practice for the past twenty years. Conlon explains how an understanding of transits can create a context of meaning and a larger cosmological framework for transitions and changes that a client may be going through during therapy. She reflects on her experience learning how to mix astrology and psychotherapy in an ongoing relationship, as well as some of the primary differences between an astrological reading and psychological counseling.

Maggie Hyde: Jung, Synchronicity and Astrological Cosmology

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Maggie Hyde is the co-founder of the Company of Astrologers and has an M.A. in the Study of Mysticism and Religious Experience. Hyde explains Carl Jung's two definitions of "synchronicity," and how this concept of synchronicity can help us understand the nature of astrology and the mechanism for how it works. She defines the concept of divination and explains how insights come from opening up to the symbolic language of the archetypes. Looking at astrology as a process of divination can help explain how astrologers can find similar truths while using different types of astrological tools and techniques.

Philip Sedgwick: Integrating New Celestial Bodies into Astrology

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Philip Sedwick is interested in exploring the astrology of trans-Neptunian objects as well as celestial bodies beyond our solar system in what is called Deep Space Astrology and Whole Sky astrology. Sedwick talks about how astrologers can integrate the discovery of newly discovered celestial bodies by using the mythological stories associated with the names provided by the astronomers. He talks about one astronomer in particular named Mike Brown, who has been discovering a lot of these objects. Brown wrote a blog post called "I ♥ Astrologers", and Sedwick talks about the relationship between astronomers and astrologers. Sedwick also explains the difference between sun sign astrology for the masses and natal chart astrology for an individual, as well as how astrologers make interpretations and how the language of astrology has developed over time.

Gloria Star: Astrological Cycles that Define Our Time

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Gloria Star is an astrologer, author and teacher. She writes a feature column "Astrology News" for The Mountain Astrologer Magazine. Star talks about how planetary cycles create various energetic patterns that are modulated by the signs, which add and alter their qualities of influence. She specifically describes the Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune conjunction in Aquarius, and explains how we can use our action and will to consciously determine our final product, outcome, or experience. She discusses current astrological cycles of a challenging Saturn and Pluto opposition, and how we can access our creative potentials during these times of change.

Liz Kirkham: Business and Marketing of Astrology

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Liz Kirkham is a counseling astrologer with a B.A. in Depth Psychology and Astrology and an MBA in sustainable business. She talks about her practice working with clients who are in times of transition and how she uses depth psychology, shamanism and indigenous healing to align with natural flows and rhythms. Kirkham talks about her interest in business and marketing and how this overlaps with being an astrologer and entrepreneur -- including some of the marketing challenges she faces with astrology. Finally, she reflects on younger, up-and-coming generation of astrologers and the potential for technology to influence astrology.

Chris McRae: Astrological Progressions and Transits

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Chris McRae is an astrologer, teacher, and the Vice President of the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR) Board of Directors. McRae explains how the progressed natal chart and general transits show areas of potential growth, development and transformation for a client. She also reflects on how aspects have affected her own life as well as how the field of astrology has changed over the past forty years. She also talks a bit about the ISAR Certification program and the importance of verifying a certain level of competency in astrological practitioners.

Moll Frothingham: Offstage Leo and Astrological Elements and Qualities

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Moll Frothingham describes Leo as being a dualistic archetype that moves between "the onstage Leo," who radiates and displays light, and "the offstage Leo," who retreats and can be very individualistic and territorial. Frothingham talks about the progression through the four elements of fire, earth, air and water, which represent the four aspects of being. She also compares and contrasts the three fire signs of Aries, Leo and Sagittarius, and how these are understood according to their different qualities of Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable.

Enid Newberg: Kepler College and Astrology

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Enid Newburg is the President of Kepler College, and she talks more about Kepler and it's original founding and opening in March 2000. She reflects on the history of astrology and how it's approached in the curriculum offered at Kepler. Newburg explains the benefit of studying astrology formally from a variety of different astrological perspectives and the importance of developing historical analysis and understanding of astrological techniques. She also talks about Kepler College's goal of becoming a full-fledged, academic institution and the challenges of gaining accreditation due to the cultural stigma surrounding astrology.

Lee Lehman: History of Astrology and Branches of Astrology

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Lee Lehman is a Professor and Vice President for Academic Affairs at Kepler College. She has a Ph.D. in Botany and she has written several astrology books. Lehman gives an overview of the programs offered at Kepler and reviews a brief history of Astrology from Babylonian, Hellenistic, Vedic, Indian and Medieval Astrology to the present. She talks about the specific introduction of different astrological techniques throughout the evolution of astrology, and then talks more about the branches of mundane, medical and horary astrology.

Robert Hand: Writing about Astrology and Medieval Astrology

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Robert Hand has written a number of ground-breaking texts about astrology, including his comprehensive "Planets in Transit," which was actually written for a computer program. He talks about the process of becoming an astrologer and writing so many books on the topic. Hand gives a preview of his keynote in which he discusses how different astrological traditions can come to similar conclusions while using different techniques, and argues that they can be seen as different languages that say the same thing. Hand reflects on his process for translating historical Medieval texts of astrology from Latin, and the development of Project Hindsight. He sees the potential for a grand synthesis between the modern astrological innovations and the foundational elements from the restored techniques of Medieval and Hellenistic astrology.

Bill Johnston: Project Hindsight and Hellenistic Astrology

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Bill Johnston discusses his involvement with Project Hindsight, whose purpose is to rediscover the genetic strands of modern horoscopic astrology by translating the ancient texts of Hellenistic Astrology. He talks about the challenges of translating these texts from Greek to English and of finding the proper meaning for these esoteric concepts, which requires a vast amount of reading. Johnston's personal interest began when he was trying to find the right house system that resonated with his identity and natal chart, and found that the Whole Sign House system used in Hellenistic astrology provided the most resonance. He talks a bit about some of the key texts from Vettius Valens and the translation efforts of the Catalogus Codicum Astrologorum Graecorum (CCAG), and then discusses the evolution and synthesis of different techniques throughout the Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek and Roman eras. Finally, Johnston explains the benefits of incorporating traditional techniques into modern astrology, and gives an overview of how these rediscovered techniques have been tested by applying them to biographies of famous figures such as Albert Einstein.

Chris Brennan: Philosophy and Techniques of Hellenistic Astrology

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Chris Brennan was exposed to a number of different astrological traditions while studying at Kepler College, and moved away from his roots in modern psychological astrology after discovering more philosophical coherence from Hellenistic astrology. He talks a bit about the evolution of astrological concepts, and the cycles of re-integrating historical astrology into contemporary astrology. Brennan is much more into the predictive techniques of Hellenistic astrology, and because of some of his experiences, he holds a contrarian view from the humanistic perspective of free will and provides some opposing determinist perspectives. Brennan is definitely in the minority of the fate vs. free will debate within astrological community in this regard, but sees this as an emerging tension and hot topic. He also talks about the resurgence Hellenistic astrology and some of the specific techniques he commonly uses in his readings such as the Time Lord Systems and Zodiacal Releasing work. Finally, Brennan talks about the Association for Young Astrologers, and what it's like being a 'young astrologer' within the broader astrological community.

Curtis Manwaring: Software for Hellenistic Astrology

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Curtis Manwaring started work on Project Hindsight in the mid-90s. He created a software program called the Delphic Oracle that incorporates ancient techniques of Hellenistic Astrology to investigate birth charts. He explains different techniques used from this period such as the Time Lord System and Zodiacal Releasing as well as how these techniques have influenced his own life path.

Ruby Falconer on Shamanic Egyptian Astrology

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Ruby Falconer has been an astrologer for over 37 years, and she collaborated with Linda Star Wolf in writing the book Shamanic Egyptian Astrology: Your Planetary Relationship to the Gods. She explains how the Egyptian pantheon is older than the classical, Greco-Roman myths, which form the basis of modern Western astrology. She explains how Egyptian deities represent a language of wholeness and add a dimension of divine femininity to the astrological archetypes. The classical myths were heavily influenced by patriarchal wounding that was happening during ancient Greece and Rome, and so there are many stories where the feminine goddess are wounded by the hand of masculine gods.

Falconer provides some examples of how this patriarchal bias is still present within the traditional Western astrological archetypes, and explains how the corresponding Egyptian mythological stories can provide a more holistic story with richer dimensions and complexity. She talks about some of the current transits between Saturn and Uranus and talks about the corresponding Egyptian archetypes of Sobek and Wadjet, and explains the struggle between the ego's need to maintain security of Saturn/Sobek and the need of Uranus/Wadjet to allow new energy to come through. She talks about reclaiming the essence of Shamanism, which is about letting the ego regularly die in order to effectively embody different solar purposes and being comfortable with change. There is a part of us that needs to die in order to change, and she talks about how much our culture suffers from the fear of change and the prospect of death.

VerDarLuz on Integrating Astrology with Different Healing Modalities and Embodied Practices

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VerDarLuz is an astrologer who integrates shamanism, past-life regression, breathwork, meditation, dance and movement with the cosmic language of astrology. He talks about different sections from his recently published his first book Codex of the Soul: Astrology as a Spiritual Practice, Vol. 1 The StArchetypal Theater. He sees a lot of potential in synthesizing different archetypal and healing languages, and has a desire to uncover the language of astrology that is present in our daily lives. VerDarLuz discusses planetary rights of passage and initiation cycles, intergenerational dialogue as well as generational astrology. He talks about how the language of astrology can be used by parents and teachers to help a child fully blossom into their potential by individualizing the education process, as well as how Astrocartography can be used for both relocation and riding the energy of transits that are particularly strong in a specific time and place.

Mark Jones on Depth Psychology, Transference and Evolutionary Astrology

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Mark Jones is a transpersonal psychotherapist and psychosynthesis therapist who uses alchemical hypnotherapy, regression techniques and evolutionary astrology as a diagnostic tool to help liberate people from stuck karmic patterns. He talks about how he integrates all of these different modalities in order to understand people at a depth level and help them in their loss of meaning in their lives. Jones describes the different evolutionary levels of consciousness development, and discusses how the depth psychology principles of transference and counter transference influence an astrological reading.